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Location:

New Palestine,IN,USA

Member Since:

Oct 23, 2007

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Boston Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

5k - 18:59 (3/09)
4M - 25:06 (9/09)
10k - 41:01 (11/07)

Half - 1:25:58 (11/09)

Marathon - 3:06:33 (12/09)

Short-Term Running Goals:

1:25 for the half marathon
Sub 39:00 for the 10k.
3:07 marathon
18:30 5k

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Long-Term Running Goals:

Break 3:00 for the marathon.

Personal:

Married, two daughters (18 and 15).  Masters runner trying to get competitive in my age group.

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Miles:This week: 0.00 Month: 0.00 Year: 0.00
Saucony Ride 5 (Red) Lifetime Miles: 372.70
ASICS Excel 33 Lifetime Miles: 152.00
Saucony Ride 7 Lifetime Miles: 249.00
ASICS DS Trainer Lifetime Miles: 212.20
Asics Cumulus 16 Lifetime Miles: 241.30
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.000.000.000.007.00

We got about 4 inches of snow overnight so I was forced to the treadmill. I mananged 7 miles at an easy pace. Hopefully, I can get outside tomorrow.

7 miles, 57:34

Comments
From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 20:32:36

Jim - some thoughts on your training. In the last month you've been training like a 5 K - 10 K specialist sharpening during race season. After looking at your races, though, I realized that you still lack aerobic base. Here is what I suggest for the next month:

6 days a week, no days less than 8 miles. Long run of 13, keep it the same. Add 4 tempo miles in the middle or towards the end of your long run at 6:50 pace. Additionally, do tempo work two other times during the week. One being cruise intervals, 2x2 miles at 6:35 pace. The other a 3 mile tempo at 6:40 pace. Otherwise, run easy, around 8:00 - 8:30 pace.

From Jim on Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 09:57:38

Sasha,

Thanks for your feedback and sounds like a good plan. If you don't mind I wanted to give you some background and see if you would change anything based on my background. So here goes...

I started running around age 13 and ran throughout high school. I ran a 2:00 1/2 mile, 4:40 mile and 16:20 5k in XC. I stopped running soon after high school and didn't run again for around 15 years. I started running again in 2000 just to stay in shape (only 15 to 20 mpw). I would usually run 1 half marathon per year so I would pick up my training for around 3 months to get ready for the half (around 30 mpw). In 2004 I went up to around 50 mpw and ran a 1:32 half but then dropped back to the normal routine. In 2006 I trained for a marathon but only did a 4 month buildup and crashed in the last 6 miles of the marathon (no real base). This year I decided to get more serious about my running so in June I started building my mileage up and now run around 50 mpw. I want to stay at this level or increase my mileage. So with that background, here is my goals. I want to be able to improve my 5k/10k times and run a fast half marathon in May 2008 (goal 1:27). After this I want to take another try at the marathon in fall 2008 but the marathon is a lesser goal. Based on this would you recommend the same program or make any adjustments? Will my 5k/10k times improve on the aerobic base training?

Sorry for the long response and I really appreciate your feedback.

Thanks,

Jim

From Cody on Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:23:00

I will take a stab at this if you don't mind. In my case, I was able to increase my speed by running more mileage. I ran 17:30 for a 5K in High School. After a few year hiatus, I started running again at about 20-30 mpw. The best 5K I could muster was 19:10. Along came the blog and training buddies and my mileage increased and I did very little speed work until I hit 60-80 mpw. I was able to run a 17:08 5K this year and actually PR'd at every distance I ran this year(including over an hour off my marathon time). I attribute it to mileage and "Big Workouts". Not to speed work. I would recommend that you "pretend" that you are training for a 1/2 marathon or a marathon and do as Sasha recommends and you will be suprised at your 5k and beyond times.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 12:19:30

Cody has very good points. Even a race as short as a 5 K is mostly aerobic. The lack of aerobic fitness will kill your 5 K. I race high schoolers without aerobic base in 5 Ks all the time. They would put a good 10-20 seconds on me in the mile race, but unless they've done their home work, I leave them in the dust after the first mile of a 5 K. It is not uncommon for a world-class 5 K specialist to train almost like a marathoner - 120 miles a week, except the long runs are shorter, and he would do VO2 Max workouts on some days instead of tempos.

From Jim on Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 12:44:00

Cody, Sasha,

Thanks for the feedback and it is good to see the results of others on this program. I will up the miles this winter and look forward to better times in the future.

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